Chappell: One of my favorite Mid-Atlantic programs were the 1975 battles between the Andersons and Paul Jones and Wahoo McDaniel. They would go to draws in 90 minute and two hour time limit matches. Wrestling doesn’t see matches of anything close to that length anymore. Who do you remember as being the top guys in long, long matches?


Scott: The Andersons could do it well. Tim Woods couldn’t. Steamboat could really do it.


When you’re doing an hour, 90 minutes or two hours, you really had to pace yourself. You also had to have the psychology to keep the fans into it.


Bourne: That might be the most important thing.


Scott: I once saw Johnny Valentine for thirty-five minutes lay down with an arm lock…and the people were going crazy! THIRTY-FIVE minutes!


Chappell: I remember one time in Richmond, Ken Patera kept Johnny Valentine in a headlock for about 30 minutes, and the fans were on the edge of their seats…wondering if Valentine would pass out! Valentine’s facial expressions were priceless!


Bourne: It doesn’t have to be hard, does it?


Scott: No…not at all.


Bourne: Just keep it simple…


Scott: Harley Race, Jack Brisco and Pat O’Connor all kept it simple, and these guys had great matches…great matches.


I watched Jack Brisco and Pat O’Connor in St. Louis go fifty-nine minutes. I mean it was action all the way. You’ve got to have it upstairs…if you don’t have it upstairs, you can’t keep the fans in it.


Bourne: Who in your mind were some of the best NWA Champs?


Scott: (pauses) Harley Race. Jack Brisco. Dory Funk, Jr. Those three guys were tough when they came into the territory. Now, Dory Funk is another one of those guys who could get a standing wrist lock on for twenty-five minutes!


Chappell/Bourne: (laughs)


September 10, 1970 • Norfolk VA


Scott: It was kind of hard on the other guy. Dory knew what he was doing, but the other guy had to keep moving around, keep trying to escape and get out of it.


Of course, we had people set for [the World Champ] when they came into the territory. You could bring a Champion in and put them against so-and-so, and nothing happens. But if you have a Mulligan set to go against the Champ, then you get a house.


Chappell: Whenever the NWA World Champ came into a town, it was usually a spectacular card. But the first true mega-card in the Mid-Atlantic area was Starrcade 1983. What are your thoughts on the first Starrcade?


Scott: The first one was in Greensboro…and Starrcade was Greensboro’s baby. We didn’t expect we were going to have what we had. We figured maybe a half or three quarters…and it was packed, every time we ran it in Greensboro.


Same type of thing with the Great American Bash.


Chappell: Who came up with the concept for Starrcade?


Scott: I think that was Dusty Rhodes’ deal. And so was the Great American Bash…that was Dusty’s deal too.


Bourne: You were events coordinator for Crockett at that time, weren’t you? I remember your on air role then was to come on and announce the big towns, that David Allan Coe would be there….


Chappell: Yeah, we knew if Sandy came out there was gonna be a big announcement!


Scott: (laughing) That was another thing with those Bashes, you know we had the talent, but they wanted to give the people a little something extra.


So, Dusty comes into my office and says, “See if you can get Hank.” I said, ‘Hank Williams?’ Dusty said, “Yeah, yeah…Hank and I are good buddies.”


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing)


Scott: So, I call Buddy Lee down in Nashville. I told Buddy we needed to get a hold of Hank Williams for the Great American Bash. Buddy gave me Hank’s number, even though he wasn’t supposed to give out that number.


So, I called him. He got on the phone, and I said, ‘Hank, this is Sandy Scott from Jim Crockett Promotions. Dusty Rhodes wants to know if you’d be interested in appearing at the Great American Bash.’


Immediately, the phone went dead! CLICK!


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing hard)


Bourne: (laughing) Dusty’s good buddy hung up the phone on you!


Scott: (laughing) So, I wandered on into Dusty’s office. Dusty said, “Hey, did you get Hank; did you get Hank?”


I said, ‘No, Dusty, he hung up on me when I mentioned your name!’


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing hard)


Chappell: What was Dusty’s comeback to that?


Scott: He said, “Awww, that guy…he plays games.”


I said, ‘Yeah…sure.’


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing)


Scott: Then he said, “Aww…see if you can get that girl singer down in Miami.”


Bourne: Gloria Estefan?


Scott: Yeah…that’s her. Miami Sound Machine.


So, I got a hold of her promotional person. And he said, “Yeah, that date is open…for $100,000.”


Chappell: 100 grand? Whew!


Scott: I said, ‘I don’t think so. Goodbye.’


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing)


Scott: Then Dusty said, “Did you get her…did you get her??”


I said, ‘For $100,000?’ He said, “Oh…no, forget it, forget it.”


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing)


Scott: Dusty said, “Okay, let’s see who else we can get…” Finally Dusty said, “You…you go figure it out.”  So, I call Buddy Lee again!


Chappell: Good move!


Scott: I told Buddy we had some Bashes coming up, and were still looking for somebody. He said we could help out David Allan Coe, who was going through a tough time. The tax people were hitting him hard. So, Buddy gave me his number…and I call David.


I said, ‘David, I’ve got five Great American Bashes on these dates. Are you free?’ He paused, and said, “If I ain’t, I am now!” He asked me what it paid, and I said five grand. He said, “You got it.” So, I go back, and I tell Dusty. Dusty said, “Oh geez…that guy is a motorcycle guy; he’s terrible!”


Chappell: (laughs) Dusty knows all!


Scott: I said, ‘If he was that bad, Buddy wouldn’t have told me about him.’ So I went into Jimmy Crockett before Dusty could and said, ‘We got David Allan Coe…he’s great!’ Jimmy said, “Okay.”


I got down to the football field in Charlotte at about 9:00 in the morning to get everything set up. About 2:30 in the afternoon, here comes David’s bus. It stops; he rolls the window down, and asks me where he wants me to park. I told him to park right behind the stands, so you know he can get right up on the stage. So, he goes and he parks. And he asks for half his money up front, and the other half after the show was over. You know, usually those guys want the money before they even get there.


Then he asked me what I wanted…


Chappell: As far as his performance?


Scott: Right. I said, ‘About a half an hour. We have the wrestling, and a guy coming down, jumping from a plane.’


Then he asked me if I wanted a good show or a bad show. In other words, do you want bad language or good language?


I told him it was a family show and he said, “You got it.”


That guy went out there for about forty minutes. We got a plane flying around waiting for this guy to get done, and get off the stage. And the place was packed…I think there were upwards of 25,000 people. (laughing) So I’m telling the guy…get off the stage, get off the stage!


Finally, they get off the stage. We’re about twenty minutes late now. But the guy jumps out of the plane, they play the music, the first match is on…bang, bang, bang, bang.


Then we go on to Greensboro for that Bash. We use David Allan Coe there also. He gets up on the stage and checks the sound…and there comes Dusty.


Chappell: Uh oh.


Scott: I’m over there, and I hear Dusty say to David, “How about doing a duet together?”


Bourne: (laughing) I remember seeing clips of that on television.


Scott: (laughs) I said, ‘WHAT?’


Bourne: (laughing) Dusty just had to get on stage!


Scott: (laughing) So the night comes, and the house is packed again. David goes out, and he does a great job. The guy really did a great job for us.


Finally, here comes Dusty out. David says, “Do ya’ll know this guy? He’s gonna sing a little song with us!” So they sang Johnny Be Good, or something like that!


I’m standing down there, and I said, ‘Goddamn, he can’t let this guy have the spotlight without sticking his nose into it!’


We go from Greensboro, to Bristol to Charleston, West Virginia…same thing!


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing)


Scott: Same thing!


Bourne: Did Buddy Lee help you get some other acts, because you had some different people in some of the other towns.


Scott: Yes…we used Waylon Jennings in Charleston. We had George Jones in Cincinnati. The guy in Texas…


Bourne: Joe Ely. He was an up and comer at the time. He’s still doing stuff on the outlaw country circuit.


Scott: Is he? That guy was a heck of a song writer.


We go to Charleston, West Virginia. We used Waylon Jennings, and their contract called for food and stuff. But I told them no alcohol…we weren’t allowed to supply them with alcohol at all. Food, but no alcohol.


I get up there, and there’s a packed house again. Here comes Waylon’s manager, “Waylon’s not going on.”  


Bourne: Uh oh.


Scott: Waylon said all the chairs were turned the wrong way…he wanted all the chairs turned back at ringside so the people could sit and watch.


I said, ‘WHAT?!’


Chappell: Geez!


Scott: I said all they had to do was straddle their chairs. But that wasn’t good enough for Waylon.


So, I get with John Robinson the building manager, and got him down there. I told him that’s what they wanted to do. He said he wasn’t sending guys out there to change all those chairs!


Chappell: A lot of chairs!


Scott: Yeah, there were probably a thousand chairs on the floor.


Waylon’s manager came up to me again, and I said, ‘No, we’re not doing it.’ We’re already about fifteen minutes late.


Guess who comes up to me…out of nowhere?


Chappell: Who?


Scott: David Allan Coe!


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing)


Scott: (laughing) I said, ‘Hey David, how are you?’ He said he was just in Louisville, and was passing through on his way heading to Washington.


He asked me how things were going.


Chappell: (laughing) Not too great at the moment, right?!


Scott: I told David that I had a problem with Waylon. I told David what was going on, and he said, “Let me handle Waylon.”


Chappell: What happened?


Scott: He goes in and gets Waylon, and they go out on the stage…and they do thirty minutes! And then be brings Jesse (Coulter) out, and Jesse does the same.


I go back in and thank David for his help with Waylon, and a newspaper guy is standing near us listening to all this stuff. The next morning I get up and get the newspaper, and there was a piece titled something like, “The People Are Saying That Waylon Jennings Knows The Wrestling Fans Win.”


Bourne: (laughing) That newspaper writer had good ears!


Scott: We also had an interesting situation with George Jones in Cincinnati. I get a call about 4:00 in the afternoon. It was George Jones…he said, “I can’t make it; I can’t make it.” I asked him why, and he said, “I missed the plane!”


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing)


Scott: I said, ‘George, this is a very important thing for us. Get a private plane, and have them fly you up.’ He said, “Oh God, uh, uh, uh…”


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing)


Scott: I said, ‘George, we need you up here.’


For the Bashes we started at 7:30 with the entertainment, and George didn’t show at 7:30. We started the matches at 8:00, and then at 8:30 here comes George in.


Now, he was getting 20 grand for this…


Chappell: Wow!


Scott: He had his wife with him…she did his business. I told her, ‘He was supposed to be here an hour ago.’ And she said they had plane trouble and all this stuff, this and that.


I said, ‘Okay, after this match have him go on…for about 25 minutes.’ He goes out, and sings two songs, and away he goes.


Bourne: 20 grand!


Scott: Yep…20 grand.


Chappell: Sandy, we saw you on air with the Great American Bashes, but probably the on air role you’re remembered for most by Mid-Atlantic fans was the angle with Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood again Sergeant Slaughter and Don Kernodle …the contract signing for that epic match in Greensboro in March of 1983.


Did you enjoy those on air, NWA troubleshooter roles?


Scott: I did, David, I really did. And I always wanted to see the outcome of those things, because that’s how you judged how you did. And the outcome of the Steamboat/Youngblood, Sarge and Kernodle thing was superb. That was a very excellent deal there.


Chappell: Was there any idea that angle would be as big as it was?


Scott: No…we never thought it would be THAT big!


Chappell: The traffic jams in and around Greensboro, turning all those people away.


Scott: But that’s what you look at, when you have those things. You know, how it came off. And that one came off excellent.


Bourne: There again, we knew it was a big deal when Sandy came out to do the contract signing for that! You also had the one with Nikita Koloff and Magnum T.A., where Magnum jumps over the table and they start fighting...


Chappell: Magnum’s mom was there?


Scott: Right, right!


Bourne: Even as late as the Turner days, you had those types of on air roles.


Chappell: And earlier, in 1982, you were the promotion’s spokesman for the NWA World Tag Team Title Tournament, where there were eastern and western division winners, and I believe in each city along the way there were $25,000 purses.


Scott: That was a long drawn out thing!


Chappell: It definitely was…


Scott: It was pretty close to midnight at one of the arenas, where we did one of those deals.


Chappell: It went on forever…


Scott: Oh yeah! Gosh yeah. But we had great talent in those tournaments. And if you sit back and watch good talent, it’s very pleasing, you know?


Chappell: Speaking of good talent, as we start to wind down, I was hoping I could hit you with the names of some Mid-Atlantic stars, and get your thoughts on them?


Scott: Sounds good…fire away.


Chappell: How about one of the Gateway’s good friends, “Number One” Paul Jones?


Scott: Paul Jones was an excellent manager, and a good wrestler. You never had to worry about him…he was always there, on time. You know, Paul was a good guy.


Chappell: Your thoughts on the favorite of many, “Chief” Wahoo McDaniel.


Scott: Wahoo was a little different!


Chappell: (laughing) Explain please…and remember this is a family show!


Scott: Wahoo meant well, but he got lost sometimes. You’d tell him to be somewhere at 6:00, and he’s show up at a quarter to 7:00.


He was sorta an independent type of guy…


Chappell: He marched to the beat of his own drum!


Scott: He did, but when he got in that ring, he gave it everything he had. So, you can’t fault him on that.


Chappell: Tell us about the “Dean of Wrestling,” Johnny Weaver.


Sandy Scott and Johnny Weaver, circa 1972


Scott: Johnny Weaver was an excellent ambassador. Johnny was very good with the fans. He did great in whatever he did, and he loved the fans. He was a great ambassador.


Chappell: What about the “King,” Rufus R. “Freight Train” Jones?


Scott: (laughing) Rufus R. Jones! Good guy, good guy. I used to rib him all the time!


He told me he was going back to Kansas City and open up a barbeque restaurant. And I said, ‘I hope you really do, Rufus.’ Rufus was a good guy. He’d get in there in the ring, and give all that he had too. He passed away several years ago, I believe. I used to tease him. We would work out in the mornings…Rufus wouldn’t, but we would.


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing)


Scott: Rufus would come into the office, and say, “What have you been doing?” I said, ‘I worked out this morning.’ Rufus said, “So did I.” I told him, ‘Yeah, I know you did. I went down I-85 this morning and saw you running with a TV on your back.’


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing)


Chappell: Another big Mid-Atlantic name that now lives here in the Roanoke area, is Jimmy “Boogie Woogie Man” Valiant.


Scott: He came into the territory from Memphis. I remember him calling Jimmy Crockett in to show him a tape that he brought up from Memphis. Valiant was riding a motorcycle in the tape.


So, they’re in there, and I hear my name being called. Jimmy Crockett asked me to come in and look at this tape, and tell him what I thought of Valiant. So, I sat down and looked at it, and I liked what I saw.


Pretty soon, he was in the territory working. 275 pounds, I mean, he looked fantastic.


Chappell: The “Boogie Woogie Man” gimmick caught fire.


Scott: Later, the thing with Big Mama took off also.


I got to know the guy real well, and I liked him a lot. People loved him!


Chappell: Another great friend of the Gateway is Blackjack Mulligan. What are your memories of Blackjack?


Scott: Blackjack Mulligan was sort of a loner. But he was always there on time, and when he got into the ring he produced. He was always an action sort of a guy.


Chappell: One of Blackjack’s partners, and later opponents, was Greg “The Hammer” Valentine.


Scott: Oh, Greg Valentine was another loner. But he was also always there on time, and when he got into that ring, he did his job. He worked very hard.


Chappell: A great Mid-Atlantic performer from the mid 70s to the early 80s was the Masked Superstar, Bill Eadie.


Scott: I think Bill Eadie is still going today!


Bourne: He is…sure is!


Scott: Yeah, Bill Eadie reminds me of a schoolteacher…


Bourne: You know that’s what he does for a living now....


Scott: Oh, he does?


Bourne: He works in a school in Georgia that takes kids that have been in trouble. He’s one of their counselors/teachers/enforcers.


Scott: Oh, really?! No, I didn’t know that!


Bourne: Matter of fact, all the money he earns when he wrestles now, he gives to the school. The school is non-profit, and their funding gets cut a lot.


Scott: That’s fantastic. He’s a good guy. I liked him. He was very knowledgeable. He gave it his all when he was in the ring.


Chappell: Tell us about the “Pride of the USA,” Don Kernodle.


Scott: Don Kernodle was a home grown guy. He needed somebody with him, to push him. He teamed up with Jim Nelson, and they became a darn good team. But on his own, he was a slow starter.


Chappell: Don didn’t really move up the cards until he teamed up with our friend Jim Nelson, and then with Slaughter, and things really took off for him then.


Scott: (laughing) He teamed up with Jim Nelson? Another slow starter!!


Chappell/Bourne: (laughing, along with Jim Nelson!)


Bourne: (laughing) The next guy on the list…tell us about Private Jim Nelson!


Scott: I didn’t know much about Jim when he came in. I knew of his name. He and Kernodle certainly became a very good team.


Chappell: Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Champions!


Scott: That’s right…the Privates!


Chappell: Speaking again of Kernodle, he got his introduction, some may say initiation, into the Crockett territory, by Bob Roop. The $2,000 challenge thing. Tell us about Roop.


Scott: Roop was a real tough guy. And he’s also a school teacher now. I see him down at the Mobile reunion…and he told me he’s teaching up in Michigan.


Chappell: Another big star in the time period of Kernodle’s later career, well after Roop broke Don in so to speak, was Jay Youngblood.


Scott: Oh, Jay Youngblood was a real wild guy. When he got in the ring he was 100%.


Jay was excellent, but he went down the wrong road, I guess.


Chappell: Did you see any evidence of the alleged drug use by Jay, when you were around him?


Scott: I have never seen anybody take a drug, steroid, or anything like that…in all the time I was in the business. Never.


And I was shocked to hear about that with Jay. Terrible.   CONTINUED IN PART 4






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